One of the reasons why I love this time of year is watching every music elitist out there sum up the best of 2011 with their own appraisal of new music that graced the year. As I was perusing the top countdowns (from Pitchfork to MTV), I noticed one disturbing trend: Tyler, the Creator in the top spots.
Although not always #1, the loud-mouthed leader of OFWGKTA made serious waves this year with the release of his album Goblin. If you’re a 16-year-old white male or particularly engaged in the indier-than-thou music world, you’ve known about Tyler’s unique, offensive, and brutish style since his self-released album Bastard. But for many of us, his fame really came into light when he won MTV’s Best New Artist for his song “Yonkers.” It’s cooler than cool to think of Tyler as the next great visionary, with provocative lyrics and a sound unlike anything else.
And before I start: yes, I “get” it. His overall sound is reminiscent of good old-school hip-hop, with no auto-tuning. I appreciate how real his music sounds without industry frills or needing a Nicki Minaj verse or two to get people to listen. That’s not why you should hate him.
What MTV (and what seems like a majority of the hip music critics out there) fails to find fault in is Tyler’s sickeningly violent persona steeped in his lyrics – which many in the industry praise obscenely for being so innovative and creative. “Although these lyrics are violent, that’s the point,” says Olivia Sledzik of The Blue and Grey. That seems to be the argument of many music reviewers, at least. The industry can’t seem to get enough of his edginess, dripping with violent homophobic and misogynistic lyrics. And when he’s not making a joke about killing himself, he’s rapping from a perspective of a rapist, or making jokes about rape and domestic violence in general.
Tyler, the Creator — “Yonkers”
His lyrics are at time cringe-worthy, with rhymes like “I’ll crash that fucking airplane that that fucking nigga B.o.B. is in / And stab Bruno Mars in his goddamn esophagus.” And while at times the hipsters of the world agree that auto-tuning and Top-40 jams are killing music as we know it, his overtly aggressive lyric – featured in the song that earned Tyler an MTV award in the first place – is deemed by the industry to be so raw and real that we should be praising his free speech, not demonizing it. Consider these telling lyrics from his eloquently titled “Bitch Suck Dick:”
Beat your bitch in her mouth just for talkin’ shit
You lurkin’ bitch? Well, I see that shit
Once again I gotta punch a bitch in her shit
I’m icy bitch, don’t look at my wrist
Because if you do, I might blind you bitch
It’s not just his lyrics – it’s his personality, too. His Twitter account is drenched in homophobic slurs such as “faggot” and “gay” (as an adjective). In any interview I have watched of him, such as this one in Interview magazine, Tyler drops the f-bomb like it’s his job.
I don’t think Tyler, the Creator is actually a bad guy. In one interview in particular, he even seems harmless: “Everyone thinks about dark shit, why when somebody fuckin’ says it is it such a big deal, you know?” His jokes about rape, he says, are supposed to be “a storyline.” “I’m writing this song from the mind of some fuckin’ serial killer from thirty years ago who’s a white male. Like, really? If they sit back and actually listen to the fuckin’ coolness and genius of it, like, shit, that’s what irks me.” He even compares his “art” to that of Quentin Tarantino, claiming that the violence in both Tarantino’s iconic films and his music that of the same genre of “art.”
Tyler also says that he’s not homophobic. “I just say ‘faggot’ and use ‘gay’ as an adjective to describe stupid shit.” He goes on to explain that things just do not offend him the way it might offend someone else, that he just “doesn’t give a shit.”
Perhaps the most public condemnation of Tyler’s music came from Sara Quin of the band Tegan and Sara. She wrote a very eloquent piece titled “A Call for Change,” saying that “In any other industry would I be expected to tolerate, overlook, and find deeper meaning in this kid’s sickening rhetoric? Why should I care about this music or its ‘brilliance’ when the message is so repulsive and irresponsible?” to which, Tyler responded with a simple Tweet: “If Tegan And Sara Need Some Hard Dick, Hit Me Up!”
And yet, this still is not why you should hate Tyler, the Creator.
To be perfectly honest, Tyler’s just a kid. He has no idea what impact his lyrics have on society, especially when his music is praised so openly by a plethora of young minds, listening to his songs as an example of how to think and act. Perhaps, you say, someone should combat this young and disturbed rapper’s culture of violence with words of wisdom; something like, “Now Tyler, even though the industry is praising your innovation, this gives you more power than you really know what to do with, and your violent, homophobic and misogynistic lyrics, even if they are with a twistedly ‘good’ intention, are perpetuating a culture which is accepting of these offenses and makes them seemingly okay to your fans, other listeners, and society as a whole.” But alas, Tyler would probably retort with a similarly juvenile comeback that he gave Sara Quin.
You shouldn’t hate Tyler, the Creator for being sexist, or homophobic, or violent because in the end, we as a society of listeners are merely making it okay for him to keep making music by accepting this culture of violence into our Top 50 Albums of the Year, et cetera. Tyler isn’t edgy, he isn’t fighting the system, he’s an obnoxious kid, who thinks making art consists of taking all of the confused feelings or jokes he and his friends think are clever and making music with them. In the end, we should hate ourselves for even paying attention to him.
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Your misquote of Yonkers (it’s actually “fa**ot ni**a”, not “fuck*ng ni**a”) is indicative of your general lack of understanding of this music.
Setting aside my own “indier than thou” attitude, I am sincerely sorry that you don’t like Tyler. Much art is meant to be edgy, to challenge (read some Guy Debord, the concept is integral to his work), and at times to offend. The perverse acts of violence depicted in the lyrics are ironic, and I really, actually, not-sarcastically lament your inability to read farther into the music than that.
Oh well, your loss. As much as you hate to hear it, this reactionary article is exactly what Tyler and all of us KTA fans want. More than want, we need it. How are we supposed to think this is cool if people like you do?
First off, my apologies for misquoting one word in a fog of slurred offenses Tyler makes in his song; for the record, I don’t think a misquote is a representation of a lack of interest rather than a genuine mistake – for that, I am sorry.
However, your response is particularly curious considering the fact that I do, in fact, quote Tyler’s defense of his violent lyrics (tell the story from the mind of a “fuckin’ serial killer from thirty years ago who’s a white male.) My argument here is not that his art lacks a justification, but rather the harm is in the lyrics themselves, not their backstory.
My critique of his music comes from the overwhelmingly positive response to it in the mainstream music industry. It’s concerning to me, as a writer and music appreciator, that such horrifyingly violent lyrics are broadcast to an audience who may not be able to decipher “deeper meaning” from surface reality.
On that note, I appreciate your response. We have different tastes in music, obviously, and as you read, my frustration is not with Tyler himself but rather society’s approval of such a negative message. You could come back and argue to me that every artist could be misconstrued as having a negative message, but this article was meant as a response to one I find most upsetting.
I was going to write an incredibly snarky response, but I don’t want to try and convince you of anything, as you clearly have your mind set. I just hope you recognize, at least a little, how harmful such a widespread acceptance of this culture of violence can be.
Eminem was doing this 10 years ago. This aggressive style of hip-hop is nothing new. If you recall, the CD cover (back in the glorious days of CDs) of The Slim Shady LP, is Em on a dock walking away from a body in his trunk. That very CD, in fact, won a Grammy for Best Hip Hop Album so you can see where my confusion lies.
Tyler’s persona is that he is a, “fucking walking paradox” and that often, his lyrics are filled with hypocrisies and vulgar language that once looked at from a analytical standpoint convey many meanings.
Part of art (pardon the rhyme) is that it exists to offend and constantly recalibrate where the line of acceptance is. One can say the same thing about violent video games and movies, that the violent undertones are ruining the very morals of society although I whole heartedly disagree. It should be the responsibility of parents/guardians to police what their kids absorb, but as a legal adult who knows, just like TYLER, the very difference between perception and reality, I think this art is nothing new and isn’t going anywhere.
Articles like this just pour lighter fluid on the fire….Tyler’s loving this
In the words of crazy Sinead, “fight the real enemy.” There are people out there who are espousing misogyny and homophobia in their own voices: politicians comparing gay sex to bestiality, college men e-mailing date rape tips to their fraternity brothers, pharmacists refusing to fill birth control prescriptions, and so forth.
Tyler, the Creator, like Eminem and Madonna and countless other artists, is a provocateur. He says over-the-top and often revolting things. But if you listen to the album in its entirety, you’ll find that it’s framed as a hallucinatory conversation between a psychotic man and his therapist, who turns out to also be a hallucination. At the beginning of “Radicals,” Tyler even provides a disclaimer reminding the listener that the whole album is fiction.
Of course, just because it’s fiction doesn’t mean it’s not hateful. It most certainly is, and I wouldn’t argue with anyone who said that they couldn’t stomach listening to it. He conveys vile, disgusting fantasies symptomatic of pervasive rape culture and deep-seated homophobia. But anyone who rapes another person and then says that it’s because they listened to Tyler, the Creator is just as crazy as John Hinckley, Jr. was when he said Taxi Driver made him shoot Ronald Reagan.
I understand your dislike for Tyler, and you are certainly entitled to hate him. But I always think it’s misguided when self-professed progressives attack artists for representations of violence instead of real people for actually committing violent acts. You inadvertently align yourself with Tipper Gore and the Moral Majority going after Twisted Sister, or Bush and Quayle panicking over Ice-T singing “Cop Killer.” There are bigger and more important fish to fry, people.
“Tyler’s just a kid.”
Yes, and so is the person giving their opinions in this worthless article.
Tyler, Earl, Hodgy, Taco, Domo, Left Brain, and Syd (WHO IS A LESBIAN AND THEIR MAIN BEAT ARTIST) are kids who are lyrically great rappers. Just because the lyrics are things you don’t like to hear does not mean they are not woven together really well.
GOLFWANG
I think my problem with this article starts with the title: Why You Should Hate Tyler, the Creator. You write an article saying that this artist is a bad person because he perpetuates a culture of violence, but does that justify you feeling hate for him? Or trying to convince others to hate him as well? If you disagree with his message then say so, you have every right to voice your opinion. But a disagreement on what is appropriate to rap about should not be a justification for hate. How can you hate someone without even knowing them? He is just another musician trying to make a name for himself and he has found his niche and it sells. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Tyler, the Creator is the shit! OFWGKTADGAF!!!! Golf Wang! Nilbog! Odd Future!
Tyler isn’t an advocate for hatred or bigotry, he’s a provacateur, and a damn good one (obviously). Anyone who actually listens to the music should realize all of it is to ammuse a 20 year old, and enrage as many people as possible.
With this article, titled Why You Should Hate Tyler, the Creator… you end it with how we should hate ourselves, for liking music that is hyperbolic parody?
Maybe we should hate the rehashes of the old why we should hate Eminem arguments, seriously this could be a copy and paste job from when I was 14 and read the same arguments.
We should hate Tyler the creator for making people uncomforatable, and being well received? Maybe he should have the poppy happy lyrics of Chris Brown, that way no one will think he could be a violent person?
You failed to mention that personal friends of his are openly gay and lesbian, including Syd who is in Odd Future. Maybe you should have made this more about his personality, than just reading his lyrics and throwing up a fit.
I meant to say *throwing a fit, not throwing up a fit, and of course GOLFWANG.
Last point, to your reply word, since when does art, in any form need justification? Literally, one of the most anti-intellectual things I could have read today.
The author is clearly biased and did not provide an objective review.
You can put a disclaimer saying you “get” it all you want, you clearly don’t understand it at all. You point out his “homophobic” lyrics, his violent lyrics, and act like it’s a new, disgusting trend. What you fail to recognize is its fictitious nature, the separation between narrator and character. You wouldn’t make this mistake in a movie or novel (I hope), so why the discrimination in music? Moreover, your misquote of lyrics and lack of sourcing all together should dissuade anyone from taking you seriously. As far as homophobia, Syd is a lesbian, but I’m sure you’ve been inundated with that fact from thousands of rightfully annoyed fans. If you read more of his interviews, he talks about the power of a word to be hateful being given to it by those who deride its users in casual context. In this case, he’s referring to you, the oversensitive, ignorant critic who desires to cling to the hateful connotation of homophobic slurs, as it makes a natural transition from hate speech to a general term representing something “stupid”. Your attack on “Bitch Suck Dick” is equally, if not more so, moronic. The song makes fun of gangster rap, as well as Bay Area rappers such as Lil B. The music video is a parody of mainstream rap videos such as Kanye West’s “The New Workout Plan”. At one point, “NET – N****s Embarrassing Themselves” is shown in the corner a la the BET logo. Your article is reminiscent of an opinion piece written by a ninth grader for their English class. You even missed the point of Tyler’s response to Tegan and Sara: he played into their prototype of a hateful, ignorant rapper intentionally with the knowledge that doing so would infuriate them and duller minds such as your own. If you want to write a spiteful piece such as this, at least do it in a rational, well thought-out, and well-presented argument.
If you want to be offended go listen to Lil B.
If you honestly think that his music will be a bad influence on our society then your idea of how influential music is on the mind is skewed. Everybody who listens to OFWGKTA is fully aware of just how much he is joking and how ridiculous it is. Tyler always talks about getting drunk, smoking weed, etc. but fans know that he is straight edge and doesn’t do ANY of that. They aren’t stupid.
In all honesty, no, you don’t ‘get it’.
Look, as an OF fan AND a huge Tegan and Sara fan, I can see both sides of this issue. On the one hand, the permissibility of rape- and misogynistic language, in whatever context, can have unintended complications and does often serve to create/further and environment where victim-shame and slut-shaming can occur. We have to be aware of that, and we have to know that there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed, even when dealing with Tyler and the gang.
On the other hand, this article was pretty petty and poorly-written. It’s pretty well-documented that Tyler’s outward persona is completely intentional and pre-meditated most of the time, and that he feels that challenging people’s sensibilities is a net positive action. Even his response to Sara’s criticism is, I think, clever and intended to show that he clearly ISN’T a homophobe or pro-sexual assault; why else would he be comfortable giving such an outrageous response? To me the underlying message was “message received, but you are kind of missing the mark, so I might as well just be a weirdo about it anyway.”
To me, this kind of music is similar to the Viennese Actionist art movement in the middle of the last century, but blended with the intentional publicity-hounding of modern hip-hop. It’s supposed to be gruesome, dissonant, and impactful because that’s how you break through the morass that is popular culture.
In addition: Don’t insult the OF fanbase. It is more diverse and well-educated than you might think. I can see past the surface to what the point of the music is (at least to me), plus it is just good hip-hop. In addition, many of the Odd Future side projects (especially Syd’s The Internet) are very different from the main product and show that these kids are musicians at heart.
Bottom line: my ipod shuffles between odd future, bluegrass, house music, metal, punk, and world music without discrimination. It is part of a spectrum of music, no matter how offensive and because it IS offensive. To me, ‘Goblin’ is just this generations ‘Elvis gyrating his pelvis will ruin our daughters’.
Violence? Homophobic and misogynistic lyrics?! In MY hip-hop?? NEVER!
Were you born yesterday or did I miss something here? Take this awful excuse for ‘journalism’ off this site, unless you’re planning to write about Biggie said the word ‘fuck’ once.
Seriously, start writing about some other genre you don’t understand because this is just pathetic.
To the ignorant, close minded dumbass who wrote this article, you should be shot for having the audacity to write an entire page long rant about how shitty Tyler is without even doing any research on him, let alone actually listen to any of his music. Tyler’s puns and metaphors are a thousand times better than anything you will ever be able to come up with, and, if you took the time to listen, are deeper than almost anything out right now. Next time you decide its a good idea to say something so devoid of intelligence, put a loaded gun to your head, thumb the safety, pull the trigger, then see how you feel about it. Fuck you. GolfWang
You can’t quote bitch suck dick to attack Tyler. That song is pure sarcasim.
WOLF GANG
Haha what a pathetic article, No one takes his music seriously he is one of my favorite artist, He even says in his album that it’s all fake and fiction chill because you feel the need to tell everyone who they should hate and like and go democratic on us us the fans relise he’s kidding do you think we’re stupid. You’re the stupid one his lyrics are fictional and playful he doesnt hate gays Syd is lesbian you dont listen to his songs clearly and Im listening to rella right now fuck you and this biased fucked up article no one agrees with you. GOLFWANG WOLF HALEY
Wow, everyone seems pretty pissed off about this article. As someone who hasn’t heard enough of his music to really give any sort of opinion on it, I appreciate your view. Though the title made it appear a biased article, further reading showed another view of his lyrics. Thanks.
while you go on to quote the song, “Bitch Suck Dick,” it is clearly evident that you have no knowledge of Tyler or his collective. The lyrics you quoted were actually by another member, Jasper Dolphin. This fact is enough for me to not read any more of your article
This article is load of bullshit. You’re complaining about Tyler’s hateful lyrics and yet you’ve titled it “Why You Should Hate Tyler, The Creator.” Firstly, he doesn’t hate gays. Syd, & Frank Ocean are two gay friends and associates of his. His lyrics are sarcastic and/or satirical and are not intended to be taken seriously. There are bigger problems out there, like people who are actually committing acts of violence. Take this fucking piece of shit article off this site, you’re embarassing yourself.
GOLFWANG:)
FUCK ALL THIS SHIT I FUCKING LOVE “TYLER, THE CREATOR” SO FUCK ALL YOU HATERS!!
WOLF GANG BITCH!!
I don’t think you understand what he’s doing, he’s MOCKING the things he raps about. He’s impersonating sadistic rapers and serial killers to show people how fucked up their thoughts are and what goes on in their head. He’s not promoting satanism and such, he’s obviously showing people how crazy this stuff is.
I don’t think you understand Tyler very well. Or hip hop. if you did you’d know that this isn’t new at all in hip hop. Remember a dude named Eminem/ Slim Shady? Take a look at some of the shit he said. I’ll admit Tyler gets graphic, but if you’re going to argue degree, then you’re in for a long fight! Tyler is doing something that we have been told to not do for so long: hurt people’s feelings. He goes beyond that and says “fuck everything” and he get really dark, talking about rape, murder, cannibalism, Necrophilia. He basically offends just to offend you and I doubt he cares that is offending people. Shy should he? Why should he control others emotions for them? That’s not his responsibility.At least he’s the only rapper that’ll outright say his words aren’t to be taken seriously nor is his music for everyone.
man they are just haters if yall just posting his lyrics like “tf” and if yall dont like it then just dont listen to the song thts all……yall just making everything complicated which is not okay!!! like for real yall just bitching and all tht sh*t……tegan and sara yall just go suck a d*ck and just grow up and yea u too emily if u just hating caz for real.d*mn ^-^
Whoever wrote this is an idiot who likes Drake
“it’s not made for them”
Emily your pathetic attempt to rally support to hate a successful kid has failed miserably.
why do u people care wat they say do listen to it and go on with your life.
lol…hater get the thong of needles out of your ass
Your article is bad and you should feel bad, you clearly have little to no understanding of a paradox. kill yourself or stop trying to write about a topic/genre you have no clue about. You’re trying to be ‘Hipster’ by hating on someone who was once underground but made it in the popular culture. Learn to write a article that isn’t biased you talentless twat.
You have no understanding of his music so why write an article about it? You take everything at face value and really don’t get this style of music. Tyler attracts the weird kids who don’t fit in, something you can’t relate to, so why take that away from us? And it’s the greatest irony that the title of your article contains the words “Why you should HATE”, and is literally about why you should hate a person, then you criticize someone’s work which you have no understanding of for being hateful? What kind of stupid logic is that. And it’s hilarious when people say his music is homophobic. I hope you know two members of OFWGKTA are bisexual. Degenerates like you in society amaze me.
Go fuck yourself.
Hi Emily.
First of all, I don’t agree with your article, but you obviously made an effort to write all of it. I didn’t search for it but I found it quickly.
I would like to say that I don’t really like your title. I don’t think you need to hate someone, maybe you can just not LIKE them. Just don’t listen to Tyler, The Creator if he’s not your cup of tea. If I like Tyler, The Creator, I think I should be allowed to and your use of “should” is an opinion.
I think that you misrepresent Tyler, the Creator. You seemed to cherry-pick all of the Tyler, the Creator lines that provoke that everyone loves to quote over and over again. I think saying the f-word as in “I love this f-ing song” is not that bad, but I think maybe “F-you” is. Tyler probably says both a lot but I think that they’re just to provoke. Lots of respected people curse also.
Lots of lines are about how Tyler deals with an awful issue which is not knowing his father. Many other members of his group suffer from this. Here is a quote from rapgenius.com =
“Tyler hates when his music is labeled horrorcore. “Parade” and “Inglorious” are 2 songs off Bastard that are clearly not horrorcore, they are serious, heartfelt songs about maturity and not having a father, respectively”
I don’t think Tyler is actually homophobic because Frank Ocean and Syd Tha Kid both are bisexual and I don’t think they would be in Odd Future if they were being harassed and bullied by Tyler about this. what you said “Tyler also says that he’s not homophobic. “I just say ‘faggot’ and use ‘gay’ as an adjective to describe stupid shit. He goes on to explain that things just do not offend him the way it might offend someone else, that he just ‘doesn’t give a shit.’” I think this is kind of misquoted and misrepresented. I think he says this to be provocative.
I think for all of Tyler, The Creator’s provocative lyrics, you have a very provocative title telling people to hate someone else and I believe you should love and not hate.
I agree with Sean for everything, and would advice checking out some odd future songs like Inglorius.
I’m 12 years old and awaiting a reply.
Peace.
Word
Love how people think others are closed minded when really they just have a different option
Titties
Wolf gang!! Give a nerd with low self esteem tylers music and you’ll fucking see how that “nerd” changes into a “boy not to fuck with” (fact)!!
To me tyler reminds me of 2pac..lol..but yeah tyler is reckless and young leave the lil nigga he’s got something going..as long as he doesn’t fight against the illuminati like 2pac did (killuminati) then he’ll be alright and strong…some people say he won’t reach age 30 well let the boy do he’s thing and watch him grow from strength 2 strength..I’m sure he’ll mature in the near by future (storm TTC fan..BBM:28966441 invite me on bbm anyone! Thanks n God bless
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None of the comments defending Tyler The Creator are from women.
Interesting.
What if he were rapping about raping men?
It seems everyone willing to jump on the free speech art train does so from a trench of (white) male privilege.
You are fucking gay as shit fuck you you pansy ass faggot. He’s a good artist with a strong visible influence people like you need to stick to your grass fed animals and vegan bullshit. Go die faggot.. I bet your a psych major from LSU go kill yourself.
You don’t have a problem with his lyrics? Forgetting violence, rape, and homophobia, the guy is just a dictionary of profanity. Look at the last comment above this one, says alot about his ‘fans’.
“Gay as shit”? F.U pansy, etc etc.
Lame artist for lame fans.
At this rate, why even listen to his music. Just spout profanities in your head or talk to someone with a really low IQ.
Same difference.
Tyler The Creator Speaks Of Homophobic References But He Isn’t Actually “Homophobic” Syd And Frank Ocean Both PART Of Odd Future Are Bisexual And They Probably Wouldn’t Be In Odd Future If Tyler Always Harassed Them. And The Part You Put Of From “Bitch Suck Dick” Was Jasper Dolphin So Get Your Facts Straight. And Find A Topic To Write About That You Actually Know Information About.
And This Is Written By A 12 Year Old Who Knows More About This ‘Article’ In Hatred Against Tyler.
Bottom of the countdown shit ain’t been the same since I found out hodgy beats goes now for bow wow now I’m loud shout volume style foul mouth fucker that your teenage kid likes to bowdown …. Driving around town in Seattle with the same shotgun that curt used to (click clack boom pow) still suicidal but some assume that I’m cool now ,cause I got a fucking award in my own room now (nope ……) by I could flip shit like a couch pillow and have my death silent like a loose vow and the bandwagon turned to a caboose so (so) don’t let that little niggers trumpet lose sound (just let him play)
Dude, fuck this idiot who wrote this piece of shit ass article. He wasted his fucking time writing this stupid shit. Tyler would kick this guys scrawny ass, he”s so fuckin dumb. Tyler’s music is better than anything else out ther, that’s a fact. This guy probably heard one or two songs and formed a bias opinion about someone he didn’t even hitherto do some research on before he put out this dumb ass article. FUCK YOU
THIS GUY IS A LOW LIFE PRICK WITHOUT A GIRLFRIEND TYLER IS ONE OF THE BEST RAPPERS EVER SO FUCK YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO DOESNT LIKE HIS MUSIC O.F.W.G.K.T.A.D.G.A.F. ALL DAY EVERYDAY!
Very Simple….you should go die in a hole…and whats sad is at first i thought you were a chick